The Steinbauer BMWs:
Rick and Rainer's BMW
633 CSi (Igor)
Rick and Rainer's BMW
633 CSi (Igor)
3 Feb 18: Still drives funny and keeps dieing. Played around and I guess now that the in tank fuel pump is not connected and the inline pump is failing. Very noisy and when the intank pump is connected the fuse burns out. The fuse is the right rating (16 amp) but keeps burning out. I have a spare pump from Victim which I will install next weekend.
That was not the case either. Decided to go with the in-tank pump option but that so far is nothing but trouble. Igor seems to really like it in the garage. He just died in there. I thought that my AFM (Part #13621359641 -Bosch #0280203002) died since it looked like it no longer sends a signal to the double relay (1979 M90 L Jet engine) and hence the car does not run anymore.
I do have continuity from the battery to the fuse box and again to the double relay and continued from the double relay to the fuel pump. If I jump the two connections by the double relay I get a humming from thefuel pump. I understand that the AFM is supposed to send a signal to the double relay which kicks on the power that gets the engine going when the flap opens in the AFM and it's also supposed to click. Well, it does click but still no power to the pump. The thought that the DME is busted, since it smelled burned had crossed my mind but according to the diagram the DME has no say in this.
Had the AFM open. Everything looked OK. With the ignition on I got power to port 39 and when I open the flap power goes over to 36. So the micro switch seems to work. I checked continuity from both wires to the double relay and we have continuity. I have an old double relay in and also connected the new relay and still nothing. Lack of ground on 6 maybe? Is there any other item that would enable the power to the pump?
So from the way it looks the AFM is good. I get 12V to the AFM and when the flap is opened 12V go out. I measured at the connector by the relay. I can also hear the click at the relay. There is ground at #6 at the AFM but only when the ignition is on. So from the way it looks the circuit is good there. Does the DME provide input to the fuel pump power circuit?
I ordered a DME, it arrived and I could not wait to plug it in. Plugged it in and measured for voltage at the pump. YES!!!! I had what it takes! I put the thermostat housing back in (had to change the thermostat since it was stuck in the open position due to the PO sticking a screw in there). Had some complications since some of the screws broke due to old age and me beasting around (unrelated issue). Strange thing
The car sat there for a while and when I tried it would not start anymore nor did I have current going to the pump. If I apply 12V at the pump (bypassing everything going straight from the battery to the pump), the car runs fine and as soon as I disconnect the power he dies.
I have to admit that I have not yet checked the red cable that leads from the ignition switch straight to the double relay.
24 April 2018: No, it was not the red cable but the Green/Yellow cable as I learned from the First Five website. A very useful tool for 6er drivers as well.
So I found out that the yellow/green wire has a break somewhere. Did not take me long (after that
conclusion) to find out that the plug on the fuse box was melted at one point and the melted plastic
served as insulator.
22 Jun 18: Still battling with the fuel pumps. The Walbro in tank pump was not the ideal solution.
Ordered and started installing an in line pump. Did not get done that day since I just had to watch the world cup game Germany vs Sweden!
30 June 18: Received the inline high pressure fuel pump (255 l/h)and installed it that day. Took out the Walbro in tank high pressure pump and closed that tank off. No more pump in the tank now. Also tried to make the vacuum lines right but got only part done. Car is not starting now but gets fuel and spark. You can tell Igor wants to start but is not fully there. Have to check the fuel pressure to see if that pump delivers enough pressure. Trying to do that 7 Jul 18.
7 Jul 18: Rented some test equipment from O'Reileys and it turned out that the equipment did not work. . Finished up the speakers in Fritz and have a great sound now! Tom Schultz was kind enough to take pictures of his vacuum setup so now I can connect everything on Igor the way it is supposed to be!
14 Jul 18: Even with Rick's tester, there was no pressure at all. Not even fuel came out. There was a possibility that the pump was not connected right so I switched the polarity. Did not help at all. Checked all the connections to make sure the flow is right and it was. While I had the front and the back disconnected I thought it may not hurt to blow the line out and sure enough, there was a blockage and putting reverse pressure on it cleared the line. Igor is running but I suspect the fuel pressure regulator to be bad since it does not hold the pressure, Takes a while to crank but it will start up.
3 Aug 18: Switched out the thermostat housing and the lid since both of them were just a temporary fix, At the same time I also looked for a fuel leak in the rear and the only thing I could find there was a leak on top of the tank, the fuel level sender to be exact. Either the bolts are stripped or the nuts. Either way, it no longer seals.
15 Aug 18: Mike went up to Aurora and got a intank fuel pump for me. Not that I needed the pump but the frame . I also ordered new seals and put them in. Things seemed to be OK until Igor was acting up. Turned out to be the Throttle Position Sensor. Put a new one in and Igor idled nicely.
25 Aug 18: After a long day helping to paint my neighbor's office, I drove Igor around. First a couple of times around the neighborhood and then to Lowes. Ran nice!
29 Aug 18: Got a good deal on motor oil and thought I use Igor to get it. No such luck! Igor did not want to start! As I discovered (or should I say was reminded that the plug coming out of the fuse box was fried
at one time and hence we lose the power to the fuel pump. Have to figure something out there!.
31 Aug 18: Got Igor running and pulled him into the garage. I picked up a couple of nice mirrors and was going to install them on Igor. Turns out we are missing power going to the mirrors. So in the mantime I got the turn signals working.
14 Sep 18: Since Igor was running so nice, I decided to run down to Peterson AFB to deliver some parts for a sound system that belongs to the Special Forces Association. Ran real nice on the way down but died on my way up om Powers Blvd. Everything looked like I was out of gas but the needle showed 1/2 full. Yes, we all know that they can me inaccurate. Rick came to the rescue with a spare gas can. Put the gas in and Igor started up. Drove to the gas station and fueled up. I only fit 4 Gallons in. Now this and the 3 Gallons would in all actuality make half a tank. I have ti investigate with my inspection camera which can hopefully get immersed in gasoline.
20 Sep 18: Now that the colder weather just rolled in, I have the AC in Igor connected. It is blowing
cooler air but the system needs a charge. Freon is on order!
21 Sep 18: Syphoned most gas out of the tank and took the inspection camera to investigate. Could not find anything that would tell me why the car dies at about half tank. Both hoses are the same length (out and return. Maybe it is that darn connector to the fuel pump at the fuse box? Have to figure something out there
That was not the case either. Decided to go with the in-tank pump option but that so far is nothing but trouble. Igor seems to really like it in the garage. He just died in there. I thought that my AFM (Part #13621359641 -Bosch #0280203002) died since it looked like it no longer sends a signal to the double relay (1979 M90 L Jet engine) and hence the car does not run anymore.
I do have continuity from the battery to the fuse box and again to the double relay and continued from the double relay to the fuel pump. If I jump the two connections by the double relay I get a humming from thefuel pump. I understand that the AFM is supposed to send a signal to the double relay which kicks on the power that gets the engine going when the flap opens in the AFM and it's also supposed to click. Well, it does click but still no power to the pump. The thought that the DME is busted, since it smelled burned had crossed my mind but according to the diagram the DME has no say in this.
Had the AFM open. Everything looked OK. With the ignition on I got power to port 39 and when I open the flap power goes over to 36. So the micro switch seems to work. I checked continuity from both wires to the double relay and we have continuity. I have an old double relay in and also connected the new relay and still nothing. Lack of ground on 6 maybe? Is there any other item that would enable the power to the pump?
So from the way it looks the AFM is good. I get 12V to the AFM and when the flap is opened 12V go out. I measured at the connector by the relay. I can also hear the click at the relay. There is ground at #6 at the AFM but only when the ignition is on. So from the way it looks the circuit is good there. Does the DME provide input to the fuel pump power circuit?
I ordered a DME, it arrived and I could not wait to plug it in. Plugged it in and measured for voltage at the pump. YES!!!! I had what it takes! I put the thermostat housing back in (had to change the thermostat since it was stuck in the open position due to the PO sticking a screw in there). Had some complications since some of the screws broke due to old age and me beasting around (unrelated issue). Strange thing
The car sat there for a while and when I tried it would not start anymore nor did I have current going to the pump. If I apply 12V at the pump (bypassing everything going straight from the battery to the pump), the car runs fine and as soon as I disconnect the power he dies.
I have to admit that I have not yet checked the red cable that leads from the ignition switch straight to the double relay.
24 April 2018: No, it was not the red cable but the Green/Yellow cable as I learned from the First Five website. A very useful tool for 6er drivers as well.
So I found out that the yellow/green wire has a break somewhere. Did not take me long (after that
conclusion) to find out that the plug on the fuse box was melted at one point and the melted plastic
served as insulator.
22 Jun 18: Still battling with the fuel pumps. The Walbro in tank pump was not the ideal solution.
Ordered and started installing an in line pump. Did not get done that day since I just had to watch the world cup game Germany vs Sweden!
30 June 18: Received the inline high pressure fuel pump (255 l/h)and installed it that day. Took out the Walbro in tank high pressure pump and closed that tank off. No more pump in the tank now. Also tried to make the vacuum lines right but got only part done. Car is not starting now but gets fuel and spark. You can tell Igor wants to start but is not fully there. Have to check the fuel pressure to see if that pump delivers enough pressure. Trying to do that 7 Jul 18.
7 Jul 18: Rented some test equipment from O'Reileys and it turned out that the equipment did not work. . Finished up the speakers in Fritz and have a great sound now! Tom Schultz was kind enough to take pictures of his vacuum setup so now I can connect everything on Igor the way it is supposed to be!
14 Jul 18: Even with Rick's tester, there was no pressure at all. Not even fuel came out. There was a possibility that the pump was not connected right so I switched the polarity. Did not help at all. Checked all the connections to make sure the flow is right and it was. While I had the front and the back disconnected I thought it may not hurt to blow the line out and sure enough, there was a blockage and putting reverse pressure on it cleared the line. Igor is running but I suspect the fuel pressure regulator to be bad since it does not hold the pressure, Takes a while to crank but it will start up.
3 Aug 18: Switched out the thermostat housing and the lid since both of them were just a temporary fix, At the same time I also looked for a fuel leak in the rear and the only thing I could find there was a leak on top of the tank, the fuel level sender to be exact. Either the bolts are stripped or the nuts. Either way, it no longer seals.
15 Aug 18: Mike went up to Aurora and got a intank fuel pump for me. Not that I needed the pump but the frame . I also ordered new seals and put them in. Things seemed to be OK until Igor was acting up. Turned out to be the Throttle Position Sensor. Put a new one in and Igor idled nicely.
25 Aug 18: After a long day helping to paint my neighbor's office, I drove Igor around. First a couple of times around the neighborhood and then to Lowes. Ran nice!
29 Aug 18: Got a good deal on motor oil and thought I use Igor to get it. No such luck! Igor did not want to start! As I discovered (or should I say was reminded that the plug coming out of the fuse box was fried
at one time and hence we lose the power to the fuel pump. Have to figure something out there!.
31 Aug 18: Got Igor running and pulled him into the garage. I picked up a couple of nice mirrors and was going to install them on Igor. Turns out we are missing power going to the mirrors. So in the mantime I got the turn signals working.
14 Sep 18: Since Igor was running so nice, I decided to run down to Peterson AFB to deliver some parts for a sound system that belongs to the Special Forces Association. Ran real nice on the way down but died on my way up om Powers Blvd. Everything looked like I was out of gas but the needle showed 1/2 full. Yes, we all know that they can me inaccurate. Rick came to the rescue with a spare gas can. Put the gas in and Igor started up. Drove to the gas station and fueled up. I only fit 4 Gallons in. Now this and the 3 Gallons would in all actuality make half a tank. I have ti investigate with my inspection camera which can hopefully get immersed in gasoline.
20 Sep 18: Now that the colder weather just rolled in, I have the AC in Igor connected. It is blowing
cooler air but the system needs a charge. Freon is on order!
21 Sep 18: Syphoned most gas out of the tank and took the inspection camera to investigate. Could not find anything that would tell me why the car dies at about half tank. Both hoses are the same length (out and return. Maybe it is that darn connector to the fuel pump at the fuse box? Have to figure something out there
Sure enough, that was it. In the process I also lubricated the motor and cleaned the compartment,New problem that surfaced is that Igor is running irregular now. I suspect the fuel pressure regulator. Also seems that the alternator is not putting out the 14 Volts that we need to keep the battery charged. Both parts, FPR and a Voltage regulator are on order.With all this back and forth, there were numerous upgrades and changes made. First I bought an in-tank fuel pump but that did not work out well. That one was replaced by an in-line pump. The E-24 usually has both at the same time but I decided to go with after market high pressure pump so I would only need one. Fuel pumps kept shutting off and I traced the problem back to the plug that came out of the fuse box. I thought a new (to me) harness would be the answer and I found a guy in Denver who said he had one to sell early January. Since he kept pushing it off, I decided in the middle of March 2019 that I don't need this BS and not a harness that was still installed in the vehicle. I wedged the plug in so it stays in
